the TRUTH hurts, but wake up to it!
I am just providing "them" with another site to "ban" ;)
the TRUTH hurts, but wake up to it!
this is a map of "their world":-
http://rednet-alien.blogspot.com/2012/05/true-red-supporters-v-fsg.html
MY SCLOG ? (link) will it be "banned" ? the following has been taken from blogs on "MY KOP" which has to be subscribed to but which the "so called owners" (FSG) have gagged via their lackies in the Lfc "office" the Bush-B-Liar syndrome of "new world order" has finally exposed its ugly face IN y-OUR CLUB? whether you are a SUPPORTER or a casual fan, or not even a RED but like footy, are U not "outraged" not only what is hapening to the most beautuful & most popular game in the world that if, just "IF" my "ravings" are roughly correct means that the "agenda" by design or accident is doing more damage than any other "incident" our history...
several million of us are "registered" on the net, that is MORE than many a small country... "they" have done a lot to deny socialist development anywhere in the world OUR "Liverpool way" ethics are "social" much as Shanks instilled them in my heart & mind and the hearts & mind of many TRUE REdS young or old, whatever gender or creed or colour we are!
Rafa was forced out by G & H + media & "fannies" Kenny forced out by H-W + media & "fannies" ...
Supporters know Rafa should have stayed and Kenny should have been kept, "fannies" want whoever is the latest trend, problem ; FSG dont like strong personalities who know more than they do (which is easy!)
.. but ...I hope it is Rafa, because otherwise a lot of us will revolt against FSG..
i fear more pain...
Liverpool FC survey: LFC fans split over Kenny Dalglish's sacking but many want ... Rafa!
www.liverpoolecho.co.uk
LIVERPOOL FC supporters are split down the middle over the sacking of Kenny Dalglish......
Nandi Fustos> We need to go on, not living in the past!! All respects to Kenny & Rafa, but I think there is a new door opening with new perspectives! Walk On! YNWA
Chris 10> wrong mate.. without our past, which the "modern fans" dont respect, we will be just another foty club, if its all about money then i's rather the club was wound up completely, because LIverpool is more than a football club, and if we allow our ideals to be eroded then we are nothing...Rafa & Kenny know us, know what we are, but G & H & FSG do not , and many of the fans (especially those that joined when we were winning , still dont get it, YNWA is not just a "hymn " its our way,,,
kenny in gaelic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWlYrT-GFjI&noredirect=1
http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2012/04/liverpools-two-worst-enemies-context-and-expectation/
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/05/16/kenny-dalglish-sacked-by-liverpool-fc-photo-video-timeline-of-the-lfc-icon-s-time-at-anfield-100252-30986422/
http://www.spiritofshankly.com/news/fsg-we-need-direction
https://www.facebook.com/anfieldonlinefb/posts/235541726554778
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/05/16/liverpool-fc-celebrities-and-sports-personalities-take-to-twitter-and-facebook-to-give-their-reaction-to-kenny-dalglish-s-sacking-100252-30985939/2/
http://www.vizu.com/res/Sports/Soccer/Sport/Football/poll-results.html?cId=0&n=251903
CrazyHorse777>
Some fans are claiming we should be thankful for FSG "saving" us from Hicks and Gillette's leveraged debt buyout which had defaulted....
This is based on a lack of understanding of the bankster practices that led to the default...on a systemic level...
FSG just made an opportunistic buyout on the back of Hicks and Gillette playing and failing at a leveraged debt buyout of LFC that nearly put LFC out of existence...Leveraged debt buy-outs are just a part of the deregulated and shadow banking system from which Henry et al also made their fortunes off the back of other peoples' misery....Henry is an ex-hedge fund bansketr.....Hedge fund and financial instruments caused the 2008 crash which caused Hicks and Gillette's leveraged buyout to collapse...allowing Henry et al to swoop in and buy out LFC with as many now broken promises as H and G....
What's more - the default of the Texans' leveraged debt was overseen by RBS - a corrupt and duplicitous bank supposedly majority owned by the British taxpayers, since the bank almost failed as a result again of exposure to toxic debt speculation pre and post-2008, and was bailed out by the taxpayer's money because the banksters told the government that the banks and their money as debt system is "too big to fail"....
Joe public has no say in running RBS - despite it being bankrolled by us...we could have instigated demands for LFC to be passed over to ownership of LFC fans...but the banking elite holds sawy and hates any form of community, co-operative based ownership of any institution they see as a potential cash cow....
And some fans want us to be thankful to FSG?
If so - it's because they, like so many do not see the bigger picture...the big game these high-roller casino banksters play with other people's communities, lives and institutions..
As for the bit about "debts to banks must be re-paid as money was borrowed from them".... the bank manager lending money - the bank manager or the bank doesn't technically lend money - the banks create the money out of thin air as debt and lay it onto individuals and businesses as debt plus compound interest.....95% of all "money" in our system is debt money mainly digitally created out of thin air...That's why high street banks write off £70 million in debt every DAY.....they can afford it as it was not money they lent to you...they created it out of nothing and charge interest on it...and if you default they seize your real assets like land or house or business or car etc.....Your signature, in commercial law and according to bank charters, as described in Black's Law Dictionary, is "the instrument of value"...as soon as you counter-sign a loan agreement the bank creates the debt money out of thin air and transfers it into your account as debt against your name, or more specifically, against your ALL CAPITAL strawman identity (created at birth without your consent because the flesh and blood natural person cannot engage in financial transactions as these are theoretical constructs...therefore a strawman or shadow corporate identity is created to be taxed and have debt laid on it).....This is not conspiracy this is all in Black's Law Dictionary/Fleet and contract law and Uniform Commercial Code...
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FSG are at the semi-legal "off books" end of this system...we should not thank them for anything...
We are so far removed from a responsible banking system in a value-based capitalist economy, where value and not debt creation is the main ethos for growth...it is unreal...
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Kenny Dalglish hopes Liverpool supporters will get behind whoever replaces him as manager.
The legendary Scotsman believes his successor will inherit a good squad of players - and with the help of the fans, he thinks glory can come our way in 2012-13.
"Hopefully they will support that person as well as they have supported myself, which has been fantastic," Dalglish told the Echo. "The support the fans gave us was a huge influence in winning the Carling Cup.
"To be perfectly honest, in most of the games this season the players have covered themselves with great credit. They have been a credit to themselves and to the football club.
"The fans will always, always stick with Liverpool Football Club and support the players and the team and the person that is to be the next manager of the club. That's the way these fans have been brought up and that's the way it should continue.
"For me it's obviously going to be different, not being involved in the way I have been as before. But that doesn't mean I don't want Liverpool to go on now and be really successful. And that's the same for anyone who now comes in to the club.
"What Liverpool FC deserves and the supporters deserve is far more important than me."
Dalglish believes young players like Andy Carroll and Jordan Henderson will flourish after their first full seasons at Anfield.
He added: "You cannot over-estimate the pressure that is on a boy who comes to play for Liverpool.
"But in the first year, what they have done has been a credit.
"There is now a great foundation to build on and to move forward with. The supporters, not just for myself but for everyone else, have always been fantastically supportive of the team - and that should not change.
(back-stabber) Ayre on Kenny and the future
"No one should underestimate the role the Liverpool fans play - or the appreciation the players have for the supporters.
"Taking aside the decision made about myself, for four players to be in Roy Hodgson's England squad for Euro 2012, and for Jordan Henderson to be on standby as well, is a great credit to the players.
"It's fantastic for the club and those players - and I hope they go on and represent everybody well."
Dalglish also had words of praise for the club's owners.
He said: "I would hope nobody would prejudge things now. The owners have their own reasons for doing what they have done.
"They came in to help the club at a time when it wasn't in a great condition. They have improved it, taken it forward and are doing the best they can."
ChriS> sorry Kenny, U are too nice! if its Rafa , he will get the global support of TRUE REDS however, if not its likely to be a full antiFSG revolt..they broke yr contract, and just because u have the dignity to accept what they did , we see little difference in the way G & H forced out Rafa & the methods of FSG (except "P.R.")"
any way I sincerely Respect Kenny & Rafa and i just posted this on kenny's appeal for supporting his succesor (for all i know they will chosse woy mark 2!, and I dont trust FSG at all...in fact for me its similar to the USA, sometimes its easier to deal with a BUSH than a clinton... in other words G & H were obvious sinners, FSG have much slicker P.R machine..
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crazyhorse777 wrote:
It's no problem...I just wanted to check...re: jtrain...as i said...I've had no probs from him....I think in many ways you two have similar loyalty to Kenny and suspicion (now confirmed) of fsg etc...just different ways of expressing it...but that;s between you two...
I noticed grottonred is now posting anti-fsg and anti-yank and anti-thatcher stuff...that he was telling me i shudn't post due to being political, just recently...he said i made him puke and was shoving conspiracies down his throat,,,I haven't gloated - just mentioned above his comments that "now we seem to agree"....lol..(snip)
YNWA
crazyhorse777
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REdAlieN wrote:
well "for your eyes only" ...I must be plotting a 'coup" ha ha , u must have been reading too many of jtrains' comments on My Blog...dont worry, its stuff I posted to Henry & Share Liverpoolfc during the "dark days" (which seem to be back..)
if u dont want, just say, no prob!
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crazyhorse777 also commented on TRUE RED Supporters v FSG "fannies" (a blog):
Well said - the banking elite will do their utmost to prevent communities and co-operatives seizing rightful control of a major institution such as LFC as they want to control such "assets" as profit-making franchises, to asset-strip and/or milk for all it's worth..
People view the current cartel system as pro-entrepreneur capitalism, but it is a system dominated by monoplies and cartels, and a reverse redistribution of wealth from taxpayers to tax-evading corporate and banking and military-industrial complex elites....
Thanks for appreciating my blog post...and here's a simplified version as some people as you say won't get past the first line:
I will try and simplify the analysis:
The basic point is - Mr Henry made his fortune from hedge fund shadow banking instruments..
Hedge fund and other derivatives and casino banking caused the 2008 crash...
The 2008 crash was major cause of H and G defaulting their already risky leveraged debt buyout "ownership" of LFC
This default threatened LFC...
Mr Henry, who made his fortune from the shadow banking system that caused H and G to default then came in a swooped to buy LFC at a value price...He saw it as an opportunistic investment..
Because I actually do a bit of research on these people who come in as stewards of our club - OUR club - I never take them at face value as "messiahs" as some called them...
They're not Messiahs...they're very naughty boys, to paraphrase Monty Python...
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12518 ReDAlieN
@Crazy> in fact I used the "he's not the messiah" during the october 2010 "uprising" ;
http://eured.wordpress.com/ in a self-parody, though ;)
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classANDsuccess also commented on Dalglish--The Missing Argument (a blog):
FSG -Know how to run a business, no doubt, but do thye know how to run a football club that has a soul and is part of the community and people's actual lives? I'd be a hypocrit to say Kenny deserved longer, at least until January with Lucas back, and then say I'm not going to wait and see what FSG do next. We'll see, but its not promising(Still and forever behind LFC regardless)
P.S.
Carra (As Kenny got on the plane to see them) "So is it Gaffer or Kenny, now?"
Dalglish -"It's Kenny now."
Saddest thing I've read for years.
To see the comment, follow the link below:
Dalglish--The Missing Argument
"sorry Kenny, U are too nice! if its Rafa , he will get the global support of TRUE REDS however, if not its likely to be a full antiFSG revolt..they broke yr contract, and just because u have the dignity to accept what they did , we see little difference in the way G & H forced out Rafa & the methods of FSG (except "P.R.")"
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redmist2010 also commented on 51% of votes to Rafa Benitez! (a blog):
REdAlieN Ive no doubt at all and rightfully so he did a lot of great things, personally i don't like the style of play under Rafa but that's just my personal choice.
But for the life of me i don't see these owners giving him a second look with Rafa liking to take control of things, plus the way they have hung Kenny out to dry i wouldnt wish the job on him either.
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MyKOP> RAFA. RAFA. RAFA.
Anyone who says no to Rafa either does't understand football, doesn't support LFC, or has read too many newspapers and read the drivel written in them.
LFC were the top seeded team in europe under Rafa. Yes, thats right, in 2008/ 2009, we were the top seeded team in the competition. (nb we won it in 2005, yet 3-4 years later we were regarded as the best team in the competition!!!)
To see the comment, follow the link below:
Can we still have both?
this is copied from "crazyhorse777" >
probably too relevant for most "fannies"
on the left Kenny, on the right the boss of backtabbers inc?
"I will try and simplify the analysis:
The basic point is - Mr Henry made his fortune from hedge fund shadow banking instruments..
Hedge fund and other derivatives and casino banking caused the 2008 crash...
The 2008 crash was major cause of H and G defaulting their already risky leveraged debt buyout "ownership" of LFC
This default threatened LFC...
Mr Henry, who made his fortune from the shadow banking system that caused H and G to default then came in a swooped to buy LFC at a value price...Hesaw it as an opportunistic investment.."
FSG = G & H + "slick P.R."
REdAlieN>12518
@Crazy> in fact I used the "he's not the messiah" during the october 2010 "uprising" ;
http://eured.wordpress.com/ in a self-parody, though ;)
any way I sincerely Respect kenny & Rafa and i just posted this on kenny's appeal for supporting his succesor (for all i know they will chosse woy mark 2!, and I dont trust FSG at all...in fact for me its similar to the USA, sometimes its easier to deal with a BUSH than a clinton... in other words G & H were obvious sinners, FSG have much slicker P.R machine..
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crazyhorse777 also commented on IT'S ALL A CRAZY KOP-SPIRACY (a blog):
Conspiracy theories...If you really sit down and take time and analyse...most events the mainstream media and political powers present as fact are in fact conspiracy theories constructed by the mainstream interests and perpetuated as fact by the mainstream media...
The term "conspiracy theory" has come to be used pejoratively by most people as the mainstream media presents arguments, no matter how valid or well-researched, that go against the official story of any event, as being crazy conspiracies...
In a literal sense...the official, slanderous version of Hillsborough was a conspiracy between News International, Thatcher's cabinet and various police forces to lay false blame on LFC fans and the city of Liverpool...
Without wanting to get political, but in order to illustrate a point: The official 9/11 story is a conspiracy theory casting an external terror threat (trained and created by the CIA, even they admit to this) in Afghanistan in the late 70's...with NO concrete evidence to support the story...
Linking these two facts - Tony Farrell, a man who was senior intelligence officer for South Yorks police was sacked after he was told to assess the terror threat from Muslim communities in South Yorkshire...A man of decades of experience...he filed a report stating there was no such threat and never had been, and what's more he judged that after viewing the official and alternative accounts of 9/11 and 7/7, all the evidence pointed to both incidents being inside jobs, or false flag attacks.....He was summarily placed on gardening leave, ordered to be psychiatrically assessed (he passed with no problems!) and was summarily sacked...
He went onto predict that more disturbing details of South Yorks police collusion over the Hillsborough cover-up would come to light...and he was right....
I now follow this code: "Do not see authority as The Truth...see Truth as the only Authority"...
YNWA
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bored? with ruining our lives?
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sorry "my cop mods" (who are deleting & blocking anyone who exposes TRUTH) .. this is not "spam" its pure beef.. ;)
all RedS should thankl those like crazyhorse777 for doing what Stevie & Carra and the staff @ Lfc office should have done, stand up for Rafa (then) & Kenny..(now)
its clear that any public support for Rafa & Kenny is being "gagged" blogs that criticise H-W are being deleted or blocked etc ..
I love Rafa & Kenny so I am biased , but whether u agree or not, if u care about Lfc then U must try to see whats going on, people didnt understand the "agenda" when Rafa was forced out, because he was his own man, (and despite all the obstacles made a power in europe, again, and got us the closest to the title than anyone in last 20 years..
"they" want to assimilate you..
are U being assimilated, with scumedia,money & sexy "P.R." ..?
;)
so wake up REdS! this is not just a 'choice of manager" this could even be worse than 2007 when G & H infected us..
the media dont want us to be succesful..they wanted woy & they want another 2nd rater so that dont go back to where we belong, the "owners" are only in it for money, they know less about footy than the average fan (ie)
so thats the issue... do u want to bought? to lose our RED soul, the things that make our team, our club, our supporters Unique, or do u want to be "borged" ;)
will we ever be able to say
"we are the club, WE are LIVERPOOL" ....again????
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Heighway&@MyKOP>
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do you think they are a good idea and not a problem?
I'm here to tell you they are a massive problem they will not build a new ground or make Anfiled bigger they wont to spend nothing on the club for a few years them sell at a massive profit if anyone thinks differant you are living in a dream world what I am say is a fact do not ignor it the longer they go unchecked the worst it will be
we have to get that set of ba$tad$ out NOW 20 mill on new players
good god we are in turble you all wanted Kenny out for the Wigan boss a director of football and a pot of 20 mill congrats you have all wreked LFC for next 10 years if we have a club in 10 your all so naive totalt naive blo*dy fools wake up
extreme point of view??? wtf are all mad or just drunk wake up your being conned !
YNWA
OH AND KENNY DID OFFER ALL HIS SEVERANCE PAY TO BUY NEW PLAYERS WITH !!!!
WHAT A MAN AND A GENT A LEGEND
PS THE YANKS DON'T EVEN LIKE FOOTBALL OR UNDERSTAND IT HEALTHY ISN'T IT !!
@no problems....I just had a gut feeling about fsg/henry...so far this is being borne out...
And you know me plunge....I won't shirk from proposing an extreme viewpoint...lol...
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CH777>
@evans - Just had some more thoughts on wat you said...I don't feel I have over-simplified Mr Henry...or FSG...
Several times now they have promised and then done the flip-flop...or acted in a manner that suggests they put more credence into listening to what the mass media spouts off about, are more concerned about global brand PR and franchise returns than the community-minded ethos LFC was built on...
Just a couple of weeks ago they affirmed full support for King Kenny - not enough has happened to justify sacking him since then...we all knew the Prem results were disappointing BEFORE this statement was made...the consensus was that at least another season with Kenny acquiring two or the good players was the solution...So FSG/Henry went back on their word...big time...
They gave Kenny a 3 year contract to "ensure stability"...again..bang..that has shown to be weasel words...
FSG kow-towed to mass media hyperbole and hysteria over the nonsensical handshake incident between Prevaricate and Luis...showing they are misguidedly skewed in wanting to placate a mass media that King Kenny knows from bitter experience is more likely to have an agenda against LFC, no matter how much the club ingratiates itself with the media foghorns....
The Henry refusal to to shake Kenny's hands cannot be brushed under the carpet - it was disrespectful, pure and simple...a disgraceful way to treat a man who has given decades of service to LFC on and off the pitch...The photos don't lie in this instance....Henry blanks Kenny and then looks at him afterwards...Kudos to Kenny for remaining so dignified...and stoical...
FSG's/Henry's etc failure to attend the Hillsborough Memorial service....and then drag King Kenny all the way over to Boston, just to send him back home with a flea in his ear and then sack him was nothing short of disgraceful and appalling treatment of a club legend....
The organised and swift manner in which managerial candidates are being processed suggests that the sacking of Kenny and the discussion of replacements has been long in the pipeline...again showing that Henry's and FSG's public utterances of support have been lies pure and simple...
So - no oversimplification....there's a lot of solid ground for judging FSG and Henry as being simply ruthless billionaires with no genuine interest in maintaining LFC's Boot Room traditions and community spirit - Scouse solidarity....they are motivated purely at transforming LFC into a profit-making franchise...
Some might say "that's how it is"...or if it brings on-field success "it's worth it"....
I say it is never worth seeling your soul for a few dollars more...no matter what so-called success it brings....
YNWA
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ChriScLOGMay 19, 2012 5:09 AM
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